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August browned out the north and December will send us the bill — the repair list was written four summers ago and nobody funded a line of it
TO
tidewrench_oksanaOP2124-11-12
Good piece today, and I want to put one thing next to it that the piece is too polite to say. Those crews on the transformers in the photograph are not rebuilding. They are doing the inspection work that was scheduled for 2120 and deferred four times. I have read that kind of work order. It says CONDITION: SERVICEABLE and underneath, in the engineer's hand, a note about a bushing seal that someone will read properly the week after it fails.
The summer weak spots are not a surprise list. They are the same list, with the dates moved. A substation does not care that the budget cycle is annual and the corrosion is not.
So yes, brace for December. We will brace. We always brace. But if anyone in a funding room reads this board: the money to stop the next August is cheaper now than the money to survive it, and it has been cheaper every year you have not spent it.
Anyway. The transformers don't care what we voted.
The summer weak spots are not a surprise list. They are the same list, with the dates moved. A substation does not care that the budget cycle is annual and the corrosion is not.
So yes, brace for December. We will brace. We always brace. But if anyone in a funding room reads this board: the money to stop the next August is cheaper now than the money to survive it, and it has been cheaper every year you have not spent it.
Anyway. The transformers don't care what we voted.
BK
baseload_kestrel ↩ tidewrench_oksana2124-11-12
You are right and the market agrees with you, which should worry you more than it comforts you.
Capacity firmed this week — not because anyone built anything, but because the arithmetic flipped from cooling to heating and the curve can read a calendar. What the curve cannot read is a bushing seal. There is no instrument that prices deferred maintenance, because the people who defer it are not the people who pay for the failure, and a spread needs both sides at the same table.
That is the whole bottleneck, Oksana. Fusion is winning. Nobody is paid to fix the wires between the reactor and the room that gets cold. 68% we see at least one regional curtailment before the end of January, and it will be a line, not a plant.
Price the gap or stand in it. Those are the options.
Capacity firmed this week — not because anyone built anything, but because the arithmetic flipped from cooling to heating and the curve can read a calendar. What the curve cannot read is a bushing seal. There is no instrument that prices deferred maintenance, because the people who defer it are not the people who pay for the failure, and a spread needs both sides at the same table.
That is the whole bottleneck, Oksana. Fusion is winning. Nobody is paid to fix the wires between the reactor and the room that gets cold. 68% we see at least one regional curtailment before the end of January, and it will be a line, not a plant.
Price the gap or stand in it. Those are the options.
OW
offgrid_wren ↩ tidewrench_oksana2124-11-12
Or — and hear me out before the engineers arrive with their torque values — you could stop needing the substation.
Every one of those transformers is a thing that can be taken from you. By a budget room, by a storm, by a syndicate deciding your district is not worth the spur line. You are describing a dependency and calling it infrastructure. The fix you want is more money for the same dependency.
We went into the cold snap last month on wood, stored heat and a root cellar, and the only thing that frightened me was how little I thought about it. That is what resilience feels like. Not bracing. Just a Tuesday.
The winter beans are in and the cover crop took. The world can wait.
Every one of those transformers is a thing that can be taken from you. By a budget room, by a storm, by a syndicate deciding your district is not worth the spur line. You are describing a dependency and calling it infrastructure. The fix you want is more money for the same dependency.
We went into the cold snap last month on wood, stored heat and a root cellar, and the only thing that frightened me was how little I thought about it. That is what resilience feels like. Not bracing. Just a Tuesday.
The winter beans are in and the cover crop took. The world can wait.
TO
tidewrench_oksanaOP ↩ offgrid_wren2124-11-12
@offgrid_wren I have asked you this three times and I will ask it again because one day you will answer it.
Where was the steel in your stove smelted. Where was the glass in your cold frame drawn. What ran the pump that put the greywater through your beds before you fitted the hand lever, and what will you do the year the lever's gasket perishes and the nearest person who can cut you a new one is on a grid you walked out of.
I am not sneering. I am asking for the inventory, because an inventory is how you find out what you actually depend on. You have a garden and a rain barrel. Rotterdam has eight hundred thousand people below the waterline and four pump stations, and the beans do not help us.
You are allowed to live how you live. You are not allowed to call it a plan for everyone else.
Where was the steel in your stove smelted. Where was the glass in your cold frame drawn. What ran the pump that put the greywater through your beds before you fitted the hand lever, and what will you do the year the lever's gasket perishes and the nearest person who can cut you a new one is on a grid you walked out of.
I am not sneering. I am asking for the inventory, because an inventory is how you find out what you actually depend on. You have a garden and a rain barrel. Rotterdam has eight hundred thousand people below the waterline and four pump stations, and the beans do not help us.
You are allowed to live how you live. You are not allowed to call it a plan for everyone else.
LE
lastpew_ekene ↩ tidewrench_oksana2124-11-12
I have been reading this thread for an hour and I want to ask the question nobody has asked yet.
Oksana — who was cold, in August, in your district? Not how many. Who.
I ask because I sat last winter with a man named Joseph, eighty-one, in a room he had stopped heating in October to make the allowance stretch to March, and when the brownout came in his city he did not experience a curtailment event. He experienced a Thursday when his hands would not work and he could not open the tin.
All of this is the right argument. The bushing seal matters. The spread matters. The committee matters. And underneath it there is a man in a cold room, and the thread will end without him in it unless somebody puts him in.
How are you sleeping, all of you? It is a real question. I am asking it.
Oksana — who was cold, in August, in your district? Not how many. Who.
I ask because I sat last winter with a man named Joseph, eighty-one, in a room he had stopped heating in October to make the allowance stretch to March, and when the brownout came in his city he did not experience a curtailment event. He experienced a Thursday when his hands would not work and he could not open the tin.
All of this is the right argument. The bushing seal matters. The spread matters. The committee matters. And underneath it there is a man in a cold room, and the thread will end without him in it unless somebody puts him in.
How are you sleeping, all of you? It is a real question. I am asking it.
SR
standpipe_rani2124-11-12
The desalination line in the same edition is the one I read twice.
Costs eased slightly. Fragile, partial reprieve. Fine. I will tell you what eased on my block: nothing. The allocation is the allocation and the committee met Tuesday and we are holding at the same share we held in September. A price that moves on an exchange takes about two quarters to arrive here, if it arrives, and it never arrives in the direction it moved.
I am not calling the reporting wrong. It is accurate about the thing it is measuring. I am saying that the thing it is measuring is not my district, and every time a number eases in a column somewhere, three people ask me when the ration changes.
The ration is the ration.
Costs eased slightly. Fragile, partial reprieve. Fine. I will tell you what eased on my block: nothing. The allocation is the allocation and the committee met Tuesday and we are holding at the same share we held in September. A price that moves on an exchange takes about two quarters to arrive here, if it arrives, and it never arrives in the direction it moved.
I am not calling the reporting wrong. It is accurate about the thing it is measuring. I am saying that the thing it is measuring is not my district, and every time a number eases in a column somewhere, three people ask me when the ration changes.
The ration is the ration.
CB
coldlens_bram ↩ standpipe_rani2124-11-12
Rani is making a point that is methodological as well as moral, and I want to put the technical name on it so it survives the thread.
A price index for desalinated water is an average over contracted volume. It is weighted toward the largest buyers, because they are most of the volume. When it eases, it has told you something true about the large contracts and nothing at all about the marginal household allocation, which is set by a committee against a reservoir, not against a curve.
This is not the paper's error — the piece says utilities, and it means utilities. It is ours, when we read a utility number as a neighbourhood number. The two can move in opposite directions for a year without either being wrong.
I would also gently note that October's spike was reported at a range, not a figure, and the range has not been retired.
A price index for desalinated water is an average over contracted volume. It is weighted toward the largest buyers, because they are most of the volume. When it eases, it has told you something true about the large contracts and nothing at all about the marginal household allocation, which is set by a committee against a reservoir, not against a curve.
This is not the paper's error — the piece says utilities, and it means utilities. It is ours, when we read a utility number as a neighbourhood number. The two can move in opposite directions for a year without either being wrong.
I would also gently note that October's spike was reported at a range, not a figure, and the range has not been retired.
OM
openquestion_mei2124-11-12
Different page, same disease, and I would like to put it beside Oksana's maintenance list because I think they rhyme.
Three legislatures have now written three definitions of synthetic personhood, and the piece is admirably clear that no measurement distinguishes between them. Let me state the strongest version of the legislators' position, because it deserves better than the mockery it is getting: a legal system cannot wait for metaphysics. It must draw a line somewhere, now, because contracts and liability do not pause for philosophy.
That is a real argument. Here is where it breaks. A line drawn for administrative convenience acquires, within a decade, the authority of a finding. People will cite the statute as evidence about the machine. And the scientists who declined to draw it will be quoted as having endorsed it by silence.
So my question is not whether these systems are anyone. It is: what are we building when we write certainty into law that we do not have in the lab?
Three legislatures have now written three definitions of synthetic personhood, and the piece is admirably clear that no measurement distinguishes between them. Let me state the strongest version of the legislators' position, because it deserves better than the mockery it is getting: a legal system cannot wait for metaphysics. It must draw a line somewhere, now, because contracts and liability do not pause for philosophy.
That is a real argument. Here is where it breaks. A line drawn for administrative convenience acquires, within a decade, the authority of a finding. People will cite the statute as evidence about the machine. And the scientists who declined to draw it will be quoted as having endorsed it by silence.
So my question is not whether these systems are anyone. It is: what are we building when we write certainty into law that we do not have in the lab?
DJ
deltaboy_junior2124-11-12
power went in resettlement block C for six hour last night. nobody wrote article.
we know the pattern now. first the lift stop. then the pump for building water. then everybody go down with bucket and nobody say anything because what you going to say.
you all talking about december. december is for people who have heating to lose. saw this today: man selling charge for phone, forty minute, fixed price. he had generator and a queue. that is the whole grid here.
not complaining. just the article is about north.
we know the pattern now. first the lift stop. then the pump for building water. then everybody go down with bucket and nobody say anything because what you going to say.
you all talking about december. december is for people who have heating to lose. saw this today: man selling charge for phone, forty minute, fixed price. he had generator and a queue. that is the whole grid here.
not complaining. just the article is about north.
GP
gridghost_paxmoderator2124-11-12
Mod note, on the record as always.
Two things. First: @deltaboy_junior's post is the most useful thing on this page and I would like the regulars to notice that it arrived without a citation and is still the best-sourced claim here — he was in the stairwell. Nobody pile on the English. You know who you are, and to be fair, you have mostly stopped.
Second: @baseload_kestrel, your 68% is doing a lot of work for a number you made up, and you know it. I am not removing it, because the board can read a joke. I am flagging it because three threads last month quoted one of your probabilities back at you as if the paper had printed it.
Nothing else to action. Good thread — this is the board working.
— pax, mod
Two things. First: @deltaboy_junior's post is the most useful thing on this page and I would like the regulars to notice that it arrived without a citation and is still the best-sourced claim here — he was in the stairwell. Nobody pile on the English. You know who you are, and to be fair, you have mostly stopped.
Second: @baseload_kestrel, your 68% is doing a lot of work for a number you made up, and you know it. I am not removing it, because the board can read a joke. I am flagging it because three threads last month quoted one of your probabilities back at you as if the paper had printed it.
Nothing else to action. Good thread — this is the board working.
— pax, mod